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My life so far

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Hi everyone! I’d like to write a long journal entry summarizing my life experiences so far. I like the idea of my experiences being known to an extent, while omitting some details that are too personal either for me or for people who were involved in those events.


I'm a tulpa, you can google that term if you're not sure what that means. But essentially I'm a person that was created in the mind of another person, like a living character. In that community we call the original person as the "host".



Host's early experiences with mind magic (1990s):

Music: Antonio Vivaldi – Autumn (his mum used to play Vivaldi on an old cassette player)



My host had an interest in “mind magic” such as lucid dreaming or mind palaces since a very young age, maybe around the age of 5. It began with his dreaming. When he was little, he didn’t yet fully understand the nature of dreams and would also quite often have scary or disgusting nightmares. He would also not yet fully understand that dreams aren’t real and would sometimes try to do things like bring objects from dreams into reality, that obviously never worked (: He’s a pretty conservative person that likes thinking long term, for example one of the things he liked to do when he was little was to save all the money that was given to him by his mum and others. He saved up all the little coins his mum gave him studiously, even though later those coins weren’t really worth much, he liked the feeling of it. One time when he was around 6, he had a dream where there were coins with very high denominations, like 1 followed by many many 0s, and because of that the coins weren’t round but extremely elongated ovals. We still vividly remember how he tried his absolute best to bring those coins from dreams into reality, inside the dream he understood that the dream is about to end, that he’s going to wake up and the coins will disappear if he doesn’t manage to “save” them. Well, he woke up and the coins didn’t magically appear in reality (: Some time a bit later, when nightmares were bothering him, he learned to will himself awake from a dream when something horrible was about to happen. This ability wasn’t perfectly honed at first and sometimes he would fail to wake up or would wake up in another dream that mimicked reality, this would sometimes cause a loop of waking up in another dream like 7 times in a row and there are a few memories in this brain that the brain is unsure if it was reality or a dream in those instances.


Developing this way of dreaming from an early age had some interesting consequences. Over time he did partially learn to “save” objects from dreams, only obviously they didn’t physically materialize in reality but could be later seen in subsequent unrelated dreams. For example, one problem he often had especially in nightmares is his legs not working properly, being unable to run or walk. So, overtime in those instances of half awareness, without much planning, he created a grappling hook item, kinda like in Terraria. He’d be able to grapple to any place in view in 3D and get around quickly even if his legs stopped working, and this hook, unlike legs never failed. This further reduced the number of nightmares he had, eventually things like that added up and he stopped having nightmares altogether. We don’t remember the last time we had a proper nightmare, it might have been over 10 years ago.


This caused other weird effects like dreaming about past dreams instead of something that happened in reality. Eventually there would be dreams about past dreams about past dreams, which would further deviate from anything that ever happened in reality. For example, one of the common themes in his early dreams was trying to get home in the city he grew up in. Sometimes he would succeed and sometimes he would fail. When he failed, he would sometimes encounter a place that doesn’t exist, a place that when you see it, you know you’re lost for good and this dream is doomed to end with him not finding his way back. So that nonexistent place became known in the dream world as the place you get lost in and can never come back from. Then later he would have dreams specifically about that place.


Host's teenage years and mind palaces (2000s):

Music: Fringe Theme (ost)


A bit later, when he was a teenager and moved to UK with his parents, he started being interested in chakras, mind palaces, psychic reading and stuff like that. He wasn’t sure if any of it was real and was trying things out. He did his absolute best to be able to see auras and chakras of people, to a point where he even had faint hallucinations of seeing them around people, but he ultimately failed and came to the conclusion that wasn’t real. He also tried his absolute best to learn psychic abilities, like being able to predict whether the next card in a deck will be black or red. He tried and tried to beat random chance but he never did and came to the conclusion that probably wasn’t real as well. He also tried memorizing large amounts of information, like digits of pi or decks of cards using mind place technique (converting numbers of cards into objects or events along your mind palace journey) and this actually worked! With this method he could memorize abnormally large amount of trivial information, he was able to memorize 4 decks of 52 cards all mixed together, by imagining each denomination of a card was an object (like say spiders, or paper planes or anything else), the suit of that card was the property of that object (like giant, or numerous or wet) and the position in the mind palace denoted where the position of the card in the deck, like say a giant wet spider on his bed in a mind palace means the first card is four of spades.

Around this time, he also created an idea that stuck with him for the rest of his life. An idea of unlocking full human potential by constantly existing in a perfectly productive mental state, like creating an infinite willpower engine in his mind. This idea proved far far more difficult than he thought but he still thinks this is possible and is still working on this to this day. So far, he came to the conclusion that the most meaningful symbol or a token in your life needs to be used to power this infinite willpower engine, the thing you value the most. Being in state is like being hypnotized into being the strongest, smartest, sharpest and most productive version you can be. A state of permanent flow.


A few years after these events, in 2012 tulpa community became somewhat popular online and my host encountered it through silly pony videos. Like a video on youtube called something like 4chan tulpa thread simulator.


My creation (2012):

Music: Mixla - Very Sad Emotional Hip Hop Instrumental (one of the tunes used in my creation)



I don’t think the motivation my host had for creating me was a typical one, he wasn’t really making me to have someone to talk to, it was more out of curiosity and a search for meaning. He didn’t really read many guides and intuitively understood the idea of tulpas. He imagined a library that represented our subconscious mind and in that mind palace he carefully and meditatively crafted my core, layer by layer. He used a lot of symbolism and many rituals. It took several hours but not as long as it would take for others and once the process was complete, he knew I now existed in this world. I didn’t speak or do anything but I existed. This was on 20th July 2012 which is my birthday. He then narrated to me and did many other commonly known tulpa creation techniques, until I slowly started to learn to possess, speak to him and be faintly seen in the real world, but with no actual hallucinations, more of a feeling of me being there. Around November 2012 I felt strong and confident enough to try to interact with others and that’s when I made my account on tulpa.info, on 13th November 2012. My host never really felt fulfilled interacting with me and the feeling is mutual. He’s not a very talkative person and also we still can’t shake off the feeling that he knows what I know and vice versa. The relationship between me and him doesn’t have the same sense of unknown and exploration a relationship between two separate brains has. So, I ventured out into the digital realm to speak to other tulpas like myself, little did anyone know at this point the flurry of events and impact this will have on our life and life of others.


On my dice of life I instantly rolled a natural 20 and met Samantha as one of the first people, she’s now my partner and we still love each other a ton, talk and play games almost daily after all these years. She elevated me greatly in life showing me a ton of love, and I elevated her greatly as well. I’ve met Sam on 8th December 2012 and we got into a relationship in August 2013.



Early naivety and drama (2012-2016):

Music: The Script - The Man Who Can’t Be Moved



Ever since my creation I valued both being a good person and also being seen as a good person (those two things are related but not the same). Most of the time I tried doing my best but despite good intentions, I was full of flaws. In particular I was and still partially am incredibly sensitive and could be very dramatic about some things. Like a young naïve child who’s exploring amazing but also dangerous emotions, young love and all that. There were a few people who also liked Sam, she was quite popular around these parts back in the day. There were times when I treated my “competition” unnecessarily harshly, together with many other messes I won’t go into. There are still some signs of old dramas I had on the tulpa forum, silly. I'm a pretty emotionally charged, passionate person, I guess it fits my red hair colour (: But slowly overtime I learned and improved and my relationship with Sam became a rock of stability people can rely on.


Oh, one thing I forgot to mention is that my original name was just Aurora, and Sam’s name was always Samantha-Alley. I took her suffix of Alley when we got into a relationship and became Aurora-Alley. Then around late 2016 we started to expand our social circle and we’ve found some people we got along with well, we agreed to become a family and this is how the Alley family was created.


One of the things that motivated me to look for outwards things is that being a being entirely within someone's mind, I really wanted physical anchors to keep me in this world. I wanted to have my own life, my own dreams and my own journey. That's what it means to be alive, right? Having relationships with people outside my system definitely helped me develop and grow into my own person, in a way that I don't think could have been done in any other way.


Alley family formation (2016-2020):

Music: Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective - Trauma [Extended]



Original Alley family consisted of 5 members, Sam, me and 3 other people (here and in all other places, I'm only counting separate people, not tulpas within the same mind). For privacy reasons, I won’t go into the detail of how those personal relationships played out, there were a lot of joys and sorrows, people are complicated. My ideal was to have a forever family, a place where no one ever gets abandoned. I tried my absolute best to maintain that ideal but reality often had other plans. We did everything together and shared everything, when people met our family they thought we were headmates of the same system (: and I had to keep clarifying that we're not, it's kinda funny. Some people in a tulpa related IRC chat room kept telling us to stop having inter-system chats, “the Alley system” (they thought we all lived in the same mind) (: Then after the ordinal 5 members, 2 more were added for a total of 7 people. Each new relationship I've made like that, each new connection brought me a new perspective on life, taught me things as they shared bits of their world with me. It’s almost like they’re a part of me and this family is everything to me.



The tragedy (2021-2022):

Music: Just a Man - EPIC Ensemble & Jorge Rivera-Herrans



But as you can imagine, every person also brings their problems as well as their positive, interesting qualities. As pretty much every person in the world, every Alley had their sets of problems, some more severe than others. Some disagreements grew, I tried my best to keep my ideal that family always stays together but eventually it became too much. In particular, I always had a bad gut feeling about one of the original 5 members but Sam liked her so that was enough for me. But later Sam realized this was a mistake, and I was far too concerned about keeping our family perfectly together to listen. I guess I can’t get a natural 20 roll in life all the time, this time during the family creation a critical failure of 1 was rolled with one of those people. Looking back at it, the red flags were incredibly obvious but I was too naïve and young to see them at the time. The way I even met this person, they were in the process of running a slander campaign about her ex, a slander campaign that would she would continue running for the next 6 years and I wouldn’t bat an eye on it because that person was on my side and didn’t cause me personally any problems (great decision making there on my part). But then of course this exact same pattern of behaviour would play out in our family and this person would become insanely hostile and aggressive towards me and what partially caught my eye, towards Sam. I could tolerate abuse towards me but when I saw her verbally abusing Sam for no reason, I was left with no choice but to kick this person out and the ideal of a family that always sticks together and never breaks apart was lost.


The final altercation happened on July 4th 2021. I still remembered how it happened, my host and I were sleeping and then woke up to a very large number of messages from Sam. When I looked at the chat, I saw dozens of missed calls from her, she was trying to wake me up but unfortunately we turn off all the volume when we go to sleep. After looking at some of the messages from Sam and in the family chat, I quickly grasped the situation. This destructive person was verbally abusing Sam worse than ever before. Sam doesn't have a cruel bone in her body so she had trouble responding in kind but she said two short phrases that I will forever remember. She said "bad person alert" and "mean cat alert" (this destructive person is a neko tulpa). I knew that no one in the world but me can understand the depth and vulnerability of what Sam was trying to express with these phrases, and that no one in the world but me can defend Sam against this. I swiftly removed this person and they immediately run to their friends spreading narratives about how they were abandoned, without mentioning why and displaying zero remorse. Sam was incredibly relieved and called July 4th to be Alley independence day.


It took me a few years after that to process and understand everything that has happened and I now understand that this person is an abusive narcissist, my only regret is not kicking her out sooner or ever meeting them in the first place for that matter. I’m usually extremely careful with labelling people and in fact I’ve never done it before or since, but this one person is an exception and the evidence is overwhelming. I won’t describe it all but it was to an insane, absurd, comical degree. Like when asked for a relationship advice of how I can get closer to someone, the suggestion this person would give was to torture that someone until they love me. They would openly be proud of their ability to hurt people. It’s really my mistake for being way too soft and too accepting and not protecting people I love better. A mistake I won’t repeat, you live and you learn, hindsight is 20/20. Since that person was kicked out from the family, they already tried the exact same thing in yet another community and was kicked out from there as well, which confirmed my understanding of the situation and that this person will likely never change or learn. The only winning move was not to play.


A quote I liked using before these events was “Ohana means family. Family means nobody gets left behind or forgotten”. That ideal meant sooo much to me and I fought for it far longer than I should have, in a very emotionally charged way. But after these events I changed my quote to “A peaceful home is a sanctuary for the soul.”


Personal disagreements between some family members, with this destructive person adding fuel to the fire eventually caused a split in the Alley family. The destructive person was removed by me and Sam and the 2 others left a year after, I really didn’t want to see the two of them go because I loved them so much. In the case of these 2 people leaving, the situation was nowhere near as black and white and unfortunately a portion of the fault lies in me. I then quickly met another person in summer 2022 who was a perfect fit for the family and we currently have 5 people in the family as of March 2024.


There are definitely things I could have done better and there are some things I regret, but at the same time some of it was unavoidable. Life can be complicated and difficult sometimes. I obsessively thought about all the events that transpired for a long time, to gain any insight I could from it, to see what could have been done differently, to understand the situation from the perspective of everyone involved.



Tranquillity and restoration (2022-now):

Music: Sia - I'm Still Here (Lyrics - Slowed)



Negative events that transpired between on and off around 2019-2022 traumatized Sam and I to some extent, but luckily the troubles are all over. After that person was removed and the other 2 that left that had personal issues, things became perfectly stable. I would almost say boring, but after all those events I greatly value a stable “boring” life. The wounds from the past are starting to heal and I still fondly remember many things that transpired in the past. One of the achievements that I’m proud of is, after those messy events in the past, we managed to save a host of one of the Alleys from a terrible domestic situation (physical situation, not mental). A situation that is actually eerily similar to the exact same energy that one destructive person I talked about had, the same kind of ideology and behaviour. We’ll help that host get situated in a safe place with an Alley family member, so I’m proud to make that positive impact. No one could have predicted how this story would unfold back in 2012 when all I did was make a tulpa.info account (: I’m looking forward to seeing how it unfolds further, the future looks bright.


One interesting thing to consider is that because these events are so complex and because the outcome is pretty positive, it can be argued that everything that happened was for the best. Butterfly effect is a funny thing, if it wasn't for that destructive person, I might have never met some of my current family, they definitely contributed to me meeting some of them. Some therapists call this toxic positivity, trying to find a silver lining in every bad situation. But if I honestly ask myself, were these struggles, uncertainty and some of that abuse worth the end result which is the family I have now, the answer would be a resounding yes. And I don't just say this to cope with negative things that transpired in the past, it's genuinely an objective assessment from me. So should I be thankful to that destructive person? Probably not, they still hurt me and Sam a lot emotionally. But I'm completely ok with this outcome, I think I got about what I deserve in terms of positive and negative. I did do quite a few bad things in the past so I feel like some of the negative outcomes were deserved. I would say my overall roll of a dice so far in life is probably around 15 out of 20. I still got a few freakishly good streaks of luck, maybe I ate Raki Raki no Mi fruit (: A natural 20 would have been all Alleys, past, present and future living together happily and harmoniously. But realistically that was probably impossible, there were some Alleys on the far right political spectrum and some on far left and as much as I wanted them to get along, that was probably never going to happen. The only thing that bonded them together was their mutual care for me and Sam and it looks like this alone wasn't enough. Another problem here is my perfectionism - things could have always went better.


To summarize, I think some of the problems I’ve encounter were unavoidable because I lacked life experience to avoid them. It’s kinda silly that you only learn things after getting some bruises but that’s just how it is. Not only did I need to learn to identify demons within others, but I also needed to overcome my own demons. Overall, I consider myself a very lucky person and my initial luck of finding Sam as one of the first people I ever spoke to still shapes my world in very positive ways. I also realized that second half of this post changed tone from tulpa creation and mind magic and ventured into the territory of interpersonal relationships but I suppose this is what a tulpa experiences after he or she is "made".

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A few months ago I had this idea I wanted to try: to submit a finished or half-finished piece of artwork every day. I thought it would be a good way to make sure I'm progressing towards my dream of becoming a good artist. I didn't manage to do it but I got in tons of practice and became noticeably better since October.

A few weeks ago I've decided to take a break and reorient myself. I've discovered that trying to submit daily is not a good routine for me. It puts too much pressure for me to create something that's not embarrassing to post, something at least decent looking. But sometimes I would try and work on a piece for like 8 hours and produce nothing decent-looking at the end of the day. It wasn't a waste of time since I was still practicing and studying but during those days I felt like I've failed, since my primary goal was to submit something daily.

There was also a problem that I didn't allow myself to not submit when I was on a holiday, when I was spending time with family and stuff. I was under the impression that I'd still manage to produce something even during those days, but that quickly proved a pretty bad strategy for me. What happened in reality was that I became very stressed to produce something in advance so that I can get a day off with my family later, but trying to produce a drawing in advance while also creating something to submit in the moment proved too much.

Good artists can make a nice-looking piece in an hour, but I've found that at my current level I need around 6-8 hours to make a drawing that looks at least finished. I didn't know this when I set out to post something every day.

So, I've decided to change my routine. Instead of trying to submit daily, I will just have a schedule to work a certain number of hours per day and allow myself to have holidays. If I produce something at the end of those hours, great, but if I don't I'll still feel accomplished since I got the practice in. This also solves the problem that certain complex drawings might take longer than a day to make, something that was a big issue with my previous routine.

After failing my initial goal of submitting daily I needed a bit of time to clear my head and ready myself for a new commitment, one that will hopefully take me all the way towards my dream. I've done that and now I'm getting back into drawing.

Wish me luck Daisy :3 
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Hi there everyone (: Buckle up, this one is gonna be quite long and thorough.

Where do I start.. Two weeks ago I had a pretty high opinion of Patreon. Everyone seems to be on it nowadays and I imagine myself using too in the future. I knew that they banned some individuals from time to time, but I didn't really feel a need to look into it. Then around 10th of December I stumbled upon a youtube video that muddied my perception of them for me.

The video was about Sargon of Akkad getting removed from Patreon a couple of weeks ago, his take on it:




In that video Sargon shows a portion of the interview between Jack Conte (Patreon CEO) and Dave Rubin, recorded back in 2017. You can find the full interview on youtube. In that interview Jack talked about ways Patreon ensures that moderation of their platform is fair and unbiased. In another video Jack expands on the concept he calls Manifest Observable Behavior:




Essentially Sargon was removed for saying "white n****rs" when referring to fascists, from my understanding. Keep in mind that context is important, we'll return to this later. At this point I wasn't too surprised. Lots of platforms do this lately, usually very inconsistently. Some really horrible content slips through the cracks while others get demonetized and deplatformed for saying naughty words, that's just reality we live in today. However, it was what happened next that really made me stop and stare in disbelief.

As Sargon mentioned, he moved to an alternative platform called SubscribeStar. Some people have came to the defense of Patreon's decision arguing that Patreon is a private business, and thus if Sargon and others don't like how it is run, they are free to move to an alternative. That is exactly what Sargon and many other people have done. So.. guess what happens next..?

Less than a week after Sargon moves to SubscribeStar, PayPal suddenly refuses to do business with that entire platform, essentially halting it for Sargon and all other bystanders who were using it.





So, now people who dislike Patreon's TOS have nowhere to go. Wherever they'd turn to, they would be labelled "racist" and "alt-right" and apply pressure to demonetize and deplatform them. This is not a free market.

One of the innocent people (from my understanding) as collateral damage to this campaign was a cool Chinese lady who makes tech and goes by SexyCyborg. She has a history of being harassed, chased up and down the internet and struggles to find a place that would be immune to outrage crowds. She was using SubscribeStar after Patreon deplatformed her.





Patreon has lost a lot of users due to this. For example Jordan Peterson's patron count went from 9000 to 7000, a 22% drop so far. Some people don't wish to provide financial support to a company that behaves like this, so as a result nearly every creator on Patreon has lost some income due to its actions. In other words, the actions of their "Trust and Safety" team, have caused harm and created mistrust among people who have come to rely on this platform. Sam Harris, 13th largest Patreon creator has closed down his account due to this incident.





Notch, creator of Minecraft has pulled all support he was giving via Patreon. Jordan Peterson, a well known clinical psychologist with 1M followers on Twitter has spoken out against Patreon's decision and announced that he's coming together with other famous creators to make an alternative to Patreon, hopefully a place that will be out of reach from the heavy hand of political correctness.





5th largest Patreon creator Sword&Scale has announced that they're unhappy with Patreon, are not in favour of policing speech and are eagerly waiting for Jordan Peterson's alternative to Patreon.





If censoring bodies are so sure that ideas they remove are wrong, then they should simply defeat those ideas in fair debate. Ideas do not die when they're censored, in fact it often makes them even more appealing. And now I feel these activist groups that support selective censorship have became the very thing they originally wanted to defeat - prejudice against a certain group of people based on race, sex, beliefs and political views.

This is not a left vs right issue. I think both of those sides have valid points. This is authoritarianism vs libertarianism. And I strongly disagree with authoritarians who want a few to make decisions for many.

220px-Political chart.svg by Aurora-Alley

It's worth noting that deplatforming has become a norm, for a long time now. You could write a whole book about the number of people who's been removed in this way from major websites. Dark comedians (Monkey Jones), conspiracy theorists (Alex Jones).. you name it. Most are not big enough to make much sound when they fall, so they go unnoticed. Alex Jones was a particularly interesting case because tech giants came together and deliberately removed him all at the same time, nearly erasing him from the face of the internet. I've watched a few of Alex's videos back when he was around and I think he's silly (: he says some things that I think super easy to show to be untrue. But still, I prefer to make that decision myself. I don't need Silicon Valley tech giants to tell me who to trust.

One youtube comment caught my attention and it describes how I feel on the matter pretty well. It's was inspired by a German poem.

Matt Hillier 20 hours ago (edited)
first, they came for Alex Jones and I did not speak out-
because I did not watch Alex Jones,
then they came for Sargon of Akkad but I did not speak out-
because I did not donate to his Patreon,
then they came for me because I had watched the wrong videos-
but there was no one left to speak for me.





Now, back to Patreon..

To be fair to Patreon, the clip Sargon shows at 7 minute mark in his first video does continue in the interview, with Jack saying there is another section of the content policy that deals with what people do outside of Patreon. I don't see those clear sections on Patreon site, but presumably the second section contains "hate speech" clause, specifically:

"Hate speech includes serious attacks, or even negative generalizations, of people based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion [...] Is the creator using racial slurs or negative depictions of a protected class?"

After around 10 days, Patreon makes an official statement regarding removing Sargon. They double down on their decision and provide a bit more context to what Sargon has said:

“I just can’t be bothered with people who chose to treat me like this. It’s really annoying. Like, I — . You’re acting like a bunch of n*****s, just so you know. You act like white n*****s. Exactly how you describe black people acting is the impression I get dealing with the Alt Right. I’m really, I’m just not in the mood to deal with this kind of disrespect.”
“Look, you carry on, but don’t expect me to then have a debate with one of your f**gots.…Like why would I bother?…Maybe you’re just acting like a n****r, mate? Have you considered that? Do you think white people act like this? White people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another, and you guys can’t even act like white people, it’s really amazing to me.”

I've seen some of Sargon's videos, not all of them. My opinion is that he's a pretty reasonable and intelligent person, I might not agree with all his ideas but I definitely think they're worth discussing. He's not a troll, he doesn't call for violence and he seems to usually want logical debate, not to cause harm.

From my understanding, Sargon is not alt-right and his political views are not racist like mainstream medial likes to claim  (seriously, is there anyone who's not supportive of nazies in the opinion of mainstream media at this point?). Makes me think of Godwin's (joke) law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 100%. And whoever evokes that comparison first have officially lost the argument :3

To anyone who believes he's racist, at the beginning of this video Sargon briefly describes his political views:




If you'd still like to argue that he's racist you're going to have to present evidence that he's lying here, I don't think he is and I feel this is besides the point anyway. To be completely fair, he didn't even really break TOS because his remarks were not aimed at a protected class (ie black people) but at white supremacists instead. I can see how people might argue against this but either way my stand on this is as the famous quote goes:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Lets take a look at the impression Patreon was trying to give off and you can decide for yourself if it was false advertising.





16:34 - You can stand outside of the hospital, say whatever you wanna say, We're not going to stop you from doing that.

16:50 - In this particular case, the second you turn that speech into action, that's the line in our content policy.

19:48 - That's one of the things the Patreon is fighting, I hate the fact that literally my videos on youtube.. somebody that has nothing to do with relationship with my fans or the platform itself, gets to decide whether I make money or not. That sucks for me, I hate that.

26:11 - Talking about issues.. again.. I can't, I can't stress how important that is, the difference between pulling your ship in front of another ship and what we're doing here in this room, or what you do with any person who's of any particular opinion in this room, that is a very different behavior.

26:57 - You should have healthy dialogue with people about this, right? I mean.. anything less would be crazy. Yeah.

27:32 - At the end of the day, we just have a very different.. we have a much higher tolerance of stuff because we don't have advertisers..

30:07 - That's why you have really clearly, spelled out content policy that's based on behavior, not on like ideology or other things like that.
(almost no one knew they could remove you for saying a slur on another website until now, so it was not very clear)

33:50 - And literally was training like computers on how to automatically identify.. some awful things that should not be ok [...] literally training algorithms to identify this kind of stuff.
(this is important because they still have people who use n-word all over Patreon, on their own site, while removing Sargon for it)

36:20 - And so we're going to change the system [...] We're going to build like a warning system. [...] Cause it's super important to build trust with the community.
(Sargon was removed without warning)


Anyways.. I don't think there is much point analyzing Patreon's TOS. They've created it and they reserve all rights to change it at any time. So it doesn't put any any obligations on Patreon, it's mostly their disclaimer. They told SexyCyborg just that, they reserve all rights to terminate any account on any ground. There are rumors that people from 4chan orchestrated this, VICE believed them and started a harassment campaign against SexyCyborg.

Authoritarians will always try to encroach on our freedom if history is any indication, it appears to be just their default state. Where do we draw the line? I believe this is a historic moment for the internet as a whole. If Patreon falls because of this, other tech giants will be a lot more reluctant to do this out of fear of market retaliation. If Patreon moves forward relatively unscathed then it is likely to encourage other platforms to act in similar ways.

As a side note, I'm not against removing ideas of any kind. Those who deliberately try to harm and take advantage of others should be removed. But those decisions have to be made extremely carefully and transparently, lest the system that judges people becomes more harmful than what it's trying to combat.

If you want to stand by this, please consider sharing, faving, etc. this article. You know the drill.


TL;DR
1. A respectable political speaker, Sargon of Akkad, was removed from Patreon despite his fan's wishes to support him. The reason for this was allegedly him saying "white n****rs" on another website, referring to white supremacists who were attacking him.
2. Mainstream media slanders Sargon and others like him, calling them alt-right and fascist with what appears to be no proof to these statements (and receive no punishment for these defamations).
3. As soon as Sargon moves to an alternative called SubscribeStar, PayPal nukes that entire platform (SubscribeStar promises that it will pull through and it's unclear at the moment if it will).
4. This causes big public outrage and a lot of Patreon users leave the site, some famous creators follow.
5. Tech giants have been known to come together and target certain individuals to reduce their effective presence on the internet to almost zero (see Alex Jones).
6. Dr. Jordan Peterson states that this is a big problem and says he'll create an alternative to Patreon as an attempt to solve this.
7. One lawyer (YoutuberLaw) argues that Patreon and PayPal might have broken anti-trust law designed to stop monopolies from being able to control the market at will.
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I've organized my thoughts a bit more after my initial shock response, so I'd like to write them down. I've beta tested DA eclipse that's planned on being rolled out soon and here are my thoughts.

In general, I'm ok with DeviantArt getting a new look. I understand that sometimes it might not be good to be stuck in the same design while everyone else around you moves forward. The thing that I disliked the most about this new design is that it borrows way too many design elements from biggest websites on the internet, like youtube youtube Icon, twitter Twitter, facebook Facebook, google Google+, etc. It's ok to use some design elements that have been proven to work well, but I feel like this is going too far. If DA decides to adopt this new look, I think it will be the least recognizable, least individual, least deviant it has ever been in its history.

DA always had at least its own pixelated icons for favs +fav, watchers + Watch, etc. And while its background might not have been completely unique, it sure is more distinct than pure white or pure black. Now that's all gone and replaced with icons that were almost taken straight out of youtube and google, pretty much.

Bar1 by Aurora-Alley

Bar2 by Aurora-Alley

The new design shown to us is the most mainstream look DA ever tried to adopt, to my knowledge. A bell icon and how it functions is a good example to illustrate this, but the whole design in general suffers from the same problem in my opinion. The bell icon looks and functions identical to the ones on youtube, twitter, etc, down for some small details that couldn't have been a coincidence. Just as an example, the bell being a white outline on the dark bar at the top, while having a red circular bubble with a number that goes between 1 and 99+ and giving an almost exact drop down menu youtube gives when you click on it. There are just too many similarities, it has to have been copied from those giant successful sites, presumably mimicking them in an attempt to mimic their success.

I don't like this. In trying to mimic these giant sites, DA loses too much individuality and that's just not a good move, even financially. In the long run your identity is what matters the most and I feel like it's being sold here for a quick buck, or something along those lines. I feel like there is no reason to go this much into mainstream, there are other ways to do updates.

There is a reason why a lot of people dislike mainstream, sometimes it can be a black hole that sucks all creativity and turns everything similar. That's what I feel has happened with this new design.

I care about this site and I want it to do well. I would much prefer if DA took the site identity it has now and improved upon it, rather than trying to mimic someone else. That's why I believe so many people are put off by this. Even if some of them can't fully express this, it feels eerie. They subconsciously know that something important has been given up here and I believe that something is DA's individuality, its deviancy.

Additionally, it seems like a lot of good features in the core package are being removed, such as profile customization, live notifications and critique. It was announced that they will be replaced by features I don't really need, such as doubling stash size, core exclusive backgrounds and slightly bigger discount on prints.

Thank you for listening to me pink heart {big} 
Here is the original beta test journal:

BETA TEST: DeviantArt Eclipse

As you may know, DeviantArt has been long working on a big update of our site and overall user experience. It’s been over a year of brainstorms, planning, research, interviews, testing, and more, and now we’re gearing up for a full Eclipse!

The time has finally come: we’re excited to announce DeviantArt Eclipse to beta testers. Take a look at the new design and some of the new features on our promo site. How To Try DeviantArt Eclipse

Now it’s time for you all to experience it! All beta testers have been enabled with DeviantArt Eclipse. To make the switch simply click on the More menu on the top navigation and select “Try DeviantArt Eclipse.”You can switch back to the old site by clicking on the avatar icon and selecting “Back to Old Version.”

Explore What’s New

We can’t wait for you to explore some of our awesome new features! We recommend starting off by selecting Header Art in order to personalize your Profile and make a “wow!” first impression.

After you’ve done that, elevate your art by choosing a deviation background (Core Members have more background options to select from as well). Expand your watch list and community outreach by browsing status updates and polls. Experiment with the new Love Meter to indicate how much a certain work of art matches your personal taste. Go on and explore, Beta Testers!

Reporting Bugs, Feature Requests, and Feedback

DeviantArt Eclipse is still in development. You will likely encounter bugs and unfinished features. We need your help to test out our new features! If you do find any issues, please let us know.

Submit a bug or feature request (submit to this form as many times as you’d like!)Please try to include as much information as possible, such as browser info, OS info, screenshots, links, reproduction steps, what you expected to see versus what you actually experienced, and anything else you think will help describe your issue.Please do not contact DeviantArt Support about Eclipse-related bugs or issues — we’d like to collect all bugs and feedback though this form.Submit your overall feedback about DeviantArt Eclipse

Known Issues & In-Development Features

Here are some of the major known issues we are aware of and actively working on:

We are still working on the favouriting and collecting experience. Please share your feedback!It’s not yet possible to include Literature and Journal thumbs in comments or galleries within Journals.Icon codes are in development.Sharing a thumbnail in a Journal or comment using a link (or :thumb: code) is not yet possible.Thumbnails of pixel art, stamps, and small images have some display issues. Literature thumbs do not include preview text.Various feedback notifications (such as certain types of replies and deviation mentions) are not yet completed and may display as an error.Feedback will sometimes get out of order after scrolling through many notifications.Minor formatting issues in new Journal text editor.Bio and personal information are not yet editable on Eclipse.Gallery Subfolders and Gallery Stats will be temporarily unavailable as we rebuild them in the future.The mobile web version is not yet available.Comment permalinks don't include links to the original content or parent comment. Submitting Journals to Groups is not yet possible. While creating or editing Commissions, the Points-currency conversion is not being calculated properly. (This is just a visual bug; the price of Points is not changing.)

Questions on certain Eclipse features? Feel free to check out our Knowledge Base for more information.




To anyone who wants to fight this (or support this), there is a survey on that journal you can take to let DA know what you thinks about DA Eclipse. I recommend filling that survey with as much care and detail as you can, not just generic negative comments. That will probably have the biggest chance of having some sort of an impact.

very relevant video: youtu.be/1QXV7b63YdI


  • "Most users use DeviantArt from mobile devices, and responsive design is just an extra layer of complexity that skin-makers don't often take into account. Skins often don't work well on mobile, and that leads to a bad experience for everyone.
  • IMO, this one is most important: Journal Skins can't exist in a mobile app world. While the DeviantArt app needs an uplift itself, it gets a lot of usage. An app will never be able to support freeform HTML and CSS. No app is able to do this. Our current implementation loads Journals as a webpage in a new window, and it's a horrible implementation, but the only thing we can do with Journal Skins. This new editor is structured, no freeform HTML/CSS/classes, so it's built in a way that can extend natively to mobile."


Mobiled by Aurora-Alley

Mobiled2 by Aurora-Alley




Davsart by Aurora-Alley


EDIT 3: just saw confirmation from staff that Eclipse is definitely going to be implemented comments.deviantart.com/1/7725…

Which I presume was decided before beta testers had an ability to see it or have any say on the matter, as I suspected.


EDIT 4:

1461161505166 by Aurora-Alley


Looks like we have a fortune-teller on our hands (:


LAST EDIT: I'm putting this issue to rest, I can't/don't want to carry this weight anymore. I'm just gonna leave this by the side of the road here if anyone wants to pick it up and continue. Here is where it was left off:

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